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gordy p
11-01-2014, 01:33 PM
As some of you probably know, I've kind of fallen in love with the banshee. So I've decided to do some mods to it. I wanted to fit the rsr wheels and big breaks that I have, I initially thought about fitting the whole rsr front end. But it became apparent pretty quickly that this just wasn't going to work. The main thing I love about the banshee is the handling and by fitting the rsr front end it would completely change the handling. The rsr forks are over an inch shorter, and the yokes don't reach forward anyway near as much as the banshee ones . these two combined would not only have shortened the wheel base considerably. It would have also altered the fork trail. So the only option was to fit the rsr wheel snd breaks to the existing front end. Unfortunately this is not just a straight forward bolt on job. Having said that it's not that difficult either, the problem is the front disc fouls on the Aluminium part of the front forks. I had to mill a section of the Aluminium down to clear the disc. If you are thinking of doing this mod, there's no reason it can't be done carefully with a grinder. That's it for the moment, next is the back wheel which should be a much more straightforward job.
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gordy p
11-01-2014, 04:12 PM
Well the back wheel whent in without any problem. I want your opinion on seat units first rt2 second the standard one or get a rr unit
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wedge
11-01-2014, 04:19 PM
The rt2 seat looks so nice mate

Bullit
11-01-2014, 07:05 PM
Standard or rr

alexdavies3
11-01-2014, 07:31 PM
I think it would look awesome with a rt2 style front faring and the rt2 seat :)

themadturnip
11-01-2014, 07:32 PM
As some of you probably know, I've kind of fallen in love with the banshee. So I've decided to do some mods to it. I wanted to fit the rsr wheels and big breaks that I have, I initially thought about fitting the whole rsr front end. But it became apparent pretty quickly that this just wasn't going to work. The main thing I love about the banshee is the handling and by fitting the rsr front end it would completely change the handling. The rsr forks are over an inch shorter, and the yokes don't reach forward anyway near as much as the banshee ones . these two combined would not only have shortened the wheel base considerably. It would have also altered the fork trail. So the only option was to fit the rsr wheel snd breaks to the existing front end. Unfortunately this is not just a straight forward bolt on job. Having said that it's not that difficult either, the problem is the front disc fouls on the Aluminium part of the front forks. I had to mill a section of the Aluminium down to clear the disc. If you are thinking of doing this mod, there's no reason it can't be done carefully with a grinder. That's it for the moment, next is the back wheel which should be a much more straightforward job.
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I like it, that disc looks crazy ha. need to upgrade my brakes from the originals.

themadturnip
11-01-2014, 07:33 PM
Well the back wheel whent in without any problem. I want your opinion on seat units first rt2 second the standard one or get a rr unit
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i think the rt2 is a great looking seat but never ridden on one so wouldn't know how restricting it is.

simsimmer
11-01-2014, 07:40 PM
I had an original RT2 seat unit and a half fairing on mine. Looked soooo good!! I'll try and find a pic..

Cheers Simon

Evo6lee
11-01-2014, 07:55 PM
Are you taking it to wroughton tomoz


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gordy p
11-01-2014, 08:21 PM
No mate unfortunately im busy tomorrow

gordy p
11-01-2014, 08:22 PM
I had an original RT2 seat unit and a half fairing on mine. Looked soooo good!! I'll try and find a pic..

Cheers Simon
cool I would like to see that

Bodhii
11-01-2014, 11:16 PM
I think it would look awesome with a rt2 style front faring and the rt2 seat :)

RT2 half fairing on a banshee
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy13/bodhii6969/image-122.jpg

Nathan on his good view of the underside of the engine
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cuttsthedon
11-01-2014, 11:35 PM
They really do seem to lean well don't they!
That's 2 pics I've seen of them cranked right over!!!!

gordy p
12-01-2014, 12:21 AM
The first time I rode mine was on lee wang tyre's and you could drop it right down low and it didnt seem to loose grip mind you the foot pegs are really high on them so your foot doesn't hit the ground

gordy p
12-01-2014, 03:27 PM
As I cant post in wanted icm there is a badly listed banshee on ebay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINI-MOTOS-/331105565700?hash=item4d176dfc04

jas328sport
12-01-2014, 04:57 PM
The only thing I didn't like about the banshee were the awful front brakes so the rsr set up will work a.treat.

gordy p
12-01-2014, 06:42 PM
I wonder if a standard size set of wavy disk's would improve things. in theory they should clear of the glaze on the pads.
does anyone put their bars on top of the yoke instead of underneath?

jas328sport
12-01-2014, 06:48 PM
I tried wavy discs and they were no better, the stock disc size is just not big enough.

Icm1991
12-01-2014, 06:57 PM
Yeah I've seen that one but it looks quite rusted

cuttsthedon
12-01-2014, 10:20 PM
does anyone put their bars on top of the yoke instead of underneath?

Yes they do I've seen a couple like this - jibberwobble sets his bikes up like this

themadturnip
13-01-2014, 10:46 AM
Yes they do I've seen a couple like this - jibberwobble sets his bikes up like this

Any pros and cons of this setup? what does moving the bars higher or lower on the forks achieve? apart form weight distribution?

cuttsthedon
13-01-2014, 11:52 AM
Any pros and cons of this setup? what does moving the bars higher or lower on the forks achieve? apart form weight distribution?

No idea mate as I haven't tried it. Send jibber a PM if he doesn't reply on this thread.

gordy p
13-01-2014, 12:00 PM
Any pros and cons of this setup? what does moving the bars higher or lower on the forks achieve? apart form weight distribution?
Its more to do with rider comfort than a handling improvement but to do it you have to move the forks up an inch in the yokes which will sharpen the steering by changing the caster angle slightly. but as it lowers the front i'm not sure it's much improvement to rider comfort but jibberwobble will no more

Bullit
13-01-2014, 01:01 PM
Jibber has his on top so his knees fit underneath due to his unique riding style.

themadturnip
13-01-2014, 02:32 PM
i'm intrigued

Bullit
13-01-2014, 03:04 PM
Check out Jibberwobbles profile pic. I'm gona try it next time out on the rt2

gordy p
13-01-2014, 03:33 PM
Well I think it's about ready for a test
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themadturnip
13-01-2014, 04:21 PM
Check out Jibberwobbles profile pic. I'm gona try it next time out on the rt2
Good luck

jibberwobble
13-01-2014, 10:06 PM
Will be back in a bit to respond to this...............

Daz
13-01-2014, 10:13 PM
Well I think it's about ready for a test

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You going to be at Hully Friday ? If I go I'll be bedding a clutch in

gordy p
13-01-2014, 10:17 PM
You going to be at Hully Friday ? If I go I'll be bedding a clutch in
not sure yet mate pockets are a bit empty at the moment

Daz
13-01-2014, 10:21 PM
I know the feeling on that

jibberwobble
14-01-2014, 06:34 AM
Once upon a time I was on my in-lap after a race and found myself resting my feet up on the rear spindle crash bobbins, I noticed my knees being clear of my arms and the bars....... little light bulb moment! A few months later I noticed Sweets (British senior Champion at the time) rode a little like this and the interest came back for me to give it a try. Firstly reproducing identical geometry using sweets own hangers and then gradually moving them around until I found a place I liked. Mine have ended up about 20mm up and 20mm back from where Sweets has his. The bars go on top of the yokes and point forward which gives full knee clearance and a good moto-x 90 degree elbow position for moving around.

On my profile page there is a pic of me sitting on the DMS all tucked in about to blast off the top of Wayland Smithy Long Barrow (Neolithic tomb). This is not how I ride as such, that bike has standard position hangers and bars, some people can get tucked in like this when they are riding but not me, catch my knees on elbows and crash! That pic is just for giggles. I can get tucked in like that with my other bikes set up as I described above. Just feel too locked up in standard MM position.

It feels so wrong at first though, most people do a few laps and come in shaking heads. I could see it was allowing me to move better though so persevered for some six months or so until this started coming together. Now I really struggle to ride in the normal style. I've seen a few others riding like this in the past few years and have made a few sets of hangers and templates for people also. Both my boys are riding this way at their own request and when you watch em ride it seems more like a big bike position with them being a bit more in scale with the bike.

Turnip/Gordy etc start a thread if you want to go into this a bit more.

Bodhii
14-01-2014, 07:30 AM
You could tuck your knees in on the rrz with the hangers the right way around though

gordy p
14-01-2014, 09:29 PM
Forks pushed up and bars on top of the yoke street fighter style. must admit it feals a lot more comfy
http://s824.photobucket.com/user/gordonandjulie/media/485E64FF-7BAA-4D69-9B12-D06E5AD3A84E_zpsvkoj3vgg.jpg.html]http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz166/gordonandjulie/485E64FF-7BAA-4D69-9B12-D06E5AD3A84E_zpsvkoj3vgg.jpg[/URL

jibberwobble
14-01-2014, 09:34 PM
You could tuck your knees in on the rrz with the hangers the right way around though


Yep I can get one knee in on the RRz like wise my RSR (with normal pegs) which is about the same size the way I have it set up. Baldrick is also a bit like this at the mo as it just has standard hangers turned around which arent long enough. I can do it but it involves to much shuffling around and detracts from pushing on.

jibberwobble
14-01-2014, 09:36 PM
Forks pushed up and bars on top of the yoke street fighter style. must admit it feals a lot more comfy
http://s824.photobucket.com/user/gordonandjulie/media/485E64FF-7BAA-4D69-9B12-D06E5AD3A84E_zpsvkoj3vgg.jpg.html]http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz166/gordonandjulie/485E64FF-7BAA-4D69-9B12-D06E5AD3A84E_zpsvkoj3vgg.jpg[/URL



Yeah man :yes:

Evo6lee
14-01-2014, 10:23 PM
I've always used your style hangers on my rr Jase, just needed to be a little higher to clear my feet off the floor, the rsr now has hangers the same height from the floor as my rr as I think I may of caught my foot at Hully which is what spat me off......the rsr hangers were 13mm lower and 10mm shorter than the rr, now sorted.....I like it like this as I like to be able to put weight on the pegs like on a full size bike and I just can't bend my ankles to ride a normal setup on a mini......anyone who's tried to ride mine simply can't........weird eh?

Daz
14-01-2014, 10:35 PM
.I like it like this as I like to be able to put weight on the pegs like on a full size bike and I just can't bend my ankles to ride a normal setup on a mini......anyone who's tried to ride mine simply can't........weird eh?

I think that is because they are used to the "normal" setup I know that it is in my case anyways

gordy p
14-01-2014, 10:45 PM
I threw my leg over Jases' bike at mmr and I can totally see where he's coming from. It definitely feels like you can move around on the bike more, having said that I couldn't quite get my ass onto the seat before my calves were touching my thighs.

gordy p
15-01-2014, 05:19 PM
Well if nothing else it's different lol
http://s824.photobucket.com/user/gordonandjulie/media/E9299AC3-8B08-4FC6-85DF-EC85808F306C_zpsilf2lgwl.jpg.html]http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz166/gordonandjulie/E9299AC3-8B08-4FC6-85DF-EC85808F306C_zpsilf2lgwl.jpg[/URL

gordy p
18-01-2014, 12:14 PM
Well I absolutely loved being back on the banshee last night even though my wrists were killing me for some reason. the aircoold engine was brilliant lots of low down power. Im defenetly going to move my pegs and try it jibber style

Evo6lee
18-01-2014, 01:11 PM
Just a hint about about rear ward facing pegs, feet catch the floor far more so make sure the are plenty high......I think mine are around 200mm from the floor, would have to check to confirm that though bud��

gordy p
18-01-2014, 01:45 PM
Just a hint about about rear ward facing pegs, feet catch the floor far more so make sure the are plenty high......I think mine are around 200mm from the floor, would have to check to confirm that though bud��
Cheers mate I was wondering if that was the case. After getting on jibbers it seemed like you could move around a lot more on the bike

Evo6lee
18-01-2014, 02:02 PM
I can't slide around properly on the standard pegs but I can get some weight on the rearward pegs, more like rearsets on a big bike.......I'm not the fastest rider though bud, I tell you this for you to avoid hitting the floor like I did at Hully and destroying some part of your anatomy lol..........just checked my rr and they are 200mm to the top of the peg which is turned forward slightly so my feet sit on properly.......I must state if you have a fat ass and big feet they just won't work as you'll end up sitting on your ankles.....your quite welcome to have a Taz on mine if I'm around.....most can't ride it lol

gordy p
18-01-2014, 03:10 PM
Thanks for that Lee, I'll mount some up on mine and see what it's like. The problem I'm having is I can't get my knee down. Due to the pegs being quite high so my knee sits high. The big problem is I'm not the most flexible person in the world, if I lower the stock pegs, my feet just drag. I initially thought I just wasn't banking the bike over far enough. But after coming completely off the contact patch on the tyre, and having a couple of tumbles last night, it became obvious I was cranked over right on the edge of the tyre.